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Jacob Czynski Since the central new information concerns you being untrustworthy to keep promised commitments in this genre, that's not particularly helpful.

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Daniel Powell Is the central new information semi-public enough that I should know about it? Because the new information I saw doesn't give me any reason to think that Brent broke an explicit precommitment.

Also: if in this thread anyone puts words into my mouth,I will be *very* rude to them and then block them.

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Jacob Czynski The info I'm referring to is in the earliest post on this subject on theunitofcaring.tumblr.com. For my own sanity, I decline to go looking for the link; it was already a mistake to get involved even by saying this.

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theunitofcaring.tumblr.com

The Unit of Caring

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Daniel Powell One of the allegations of dishonesty referenced there has been explicitly disavowed. I have received a reference to a different one of which I was previously unaware.

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Nick Anyos "Because the new information I saw doesn't give me any reason to think that Brent broke an explicit precommitment."

From OP's link: "[Safewording] was occasionally completely disregarded"

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Jonathan Morningstar Additionally:
https://www.facebook.com/andrew.rettek/posts/1985987234755439

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Ok, so I was under the impression that if Alice abused Bob within a romantic/sexual relationship, and Bob got out of the relationship and out of the state, in p...art to get away from Alice, then it would be a further act of abuse for Alice to try and forge a new connection between them, publicly, without Bob's knowledge and consent. Even if the connection seems benign.

Abuse victims get to leave their abusers. If there is any reconnection, any at all, it is the victim that gets to decide how that works.

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Daniel Powell How exactly does that apply to a mutually abusive relationship?

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Duncan Sabien Ugh. This is at least partially my fault. Andrew Rettek's point is 10000% correct. Talking to Brent now; I think this whole thread should be deleted and tried again without any connection to anyone.

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Brent Dill Duncan Sabien agreed upon reflection. Deleting this would violate another precommitment, but I'm going to edit in a rescind and work on something independent of other agents that I can commit myself to.

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Daniel Powell Rescinding a precommitment would cost you some or all of the ability to precommit. Including additional restrictions, or rescinding an exit clause, would not.

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Brent Dill Daniel Powell it's a snarl. I'm recomputing intent without involving another agent. My internal precommitment stands.

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Daniel Powell I think I see your intent, and a more correct phrasing of your intent would not harm your ability to precommit.

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Brent Dill Daniel Powell yes.

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Anna Tchetchetkine also that's... really not the only issue.

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Brit Benjamin This offer creates an ongoing tie between you that she may not want. Unless you have obtained her consent to be part of this, I strongly recommend leaving her out of it.

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Brent Dill Brit Benjamin agreed upon reflection

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