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Bear in mind that proper male corsets are configured a bit differently than corsets for women. Some places just try to adapt the traditional female design for male wearers, and it doesn't work out very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by skeezycheeses_files/viewpost.gif)
(Fortunately, you don't have to reinvent the wheel, as corsets for men were in fashion during certain periods in history. :D )
Also, to answer the original question, my tastes are probably fairly pedestrian. Glasses and nerdiness. Red hair.
Bratty subs are probably the kinkiest of my kinks.
I kept misreading "caresses" as "carcasses." Now THAT killed my mood. :eek: :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Pilgrim
Mmm boys in corsets... I'm still keeping my eye out for pictures of the apparently more elusive phenomenon, boys with corset piercings. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by skeezycheeses
* wub wub wub wub wub *Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Tenken
(Three guesses how THAT sound effect is generated...)
Not sure I wanna know. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Old Geezer
:D "You KNOW you want to..."Quote:
Originally Posted by skeezycheeses
Oh, I want to know everything. There are few limits to my kinkinesses.
Yes, I just invented a word. It's like "internets."
So, here's another kink of mine, which is girls expecting me to do stuff for them and basically be an utterly whipped boyfriend...
I think it's because of my own endowments, but... I tend to keep away from girls with bigger breasts than my own because I find them grotesque.
Nonono, breasts bigger than mine are grotesque. And coincidentally, if you like breasts smaller than mine you must be into little girls, you creep. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by AstraKiseki
(weirdly, I have a thing for both binding my boobs and for wearing falsies. I like being variable, I guess.)
"Falsies"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
Boob-enhancer thingies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
Dude, when I've had Mexican food, giving you a gas mask means I'm being your best friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Tenken
(If you're going to derail a thread, derail it GOOD AND HARD!)
dude, that's hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Tenken
For me, the dom/sub thing manifests per person. Either not there, dom, or sub. A little strange, I think. (and, well, never got yet to try any of it, so it's just urges and feelings atm)
Laz
And you are a girl?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by skeezycheeses
I have a thing for butch girls and feminine boys.
I think i'd like rping for a minute some abuse. femdom sort of thing.
Or pretending to a girl for a partner.
And i like muscles on girls.
Gareth-Tichael Skarka? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Tenken
(or, what's a Tarrativist?)
I don't have a "type" with women, but I like the idea of women emasculating and demasculinizing me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctor,Wildstorm
:o You're very cute... *blushes*Quote:
Originally Posted by AstraKiseki
*gasp* SO do I, but just realized it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Casebolt
The first part was a joke, on the lines of "anyone smarter than me is a nerd and anyone dumber than me is a moron," or "anyone who has more sex than me is a floozy, and anyone who has less sex than me is a prude." Mostly I meant to make a joke to prevent the thread from going into body-types-we-don't-like, because that makes me uncomfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstraKiseki
The second part, I meant that I get a lot of enjoyment from being able to vary my body shape, either by padding parts or restraining them. I sort of feel like it gives me a kind of power over the people around me, because even if they think they're seeing something essential about me in my physical shape, I know that they're only seeing an illusion.
I mean, I "know" that the way my body looks is the least important thing about me, but experimenting with different shapes is an empowering way for me to remind myself of that. And that turns me on. Does that make more sense?
That's okay, I read 'Confident Women' as 'Confidence Women' and thought that was an interesting, if rather specific kink... ;)
It's such a damn bummer that corset piercings, being rather shallow surface piercings, are not permanent... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
Also, AstraKiseki is cute. :D
This was taught to me by Prof. M.A.R. Barker, author of 'Empire of the Petal Throne'Quote:
Originally Posted by Afterburner
[drunken singing]
A sailor once told me before he died
And I don't know whether the bastard lied
He had a wife with a twat so wide
That she could never be satisfied
So he built himself a prick of steel
And hooked it up to a great fucking wheel
Two balls of brass he filled with cream
And then he powered the damn thing with steam
And...
Around and around went the great fucking wheel
In and out slid the prick of steel
Back and forth swung those two balls of brass
And split the old whore from her tits to her ass,
And around and around went the great fucking wheel
(repeat ad inebriatum)
On the other hand, it makes me more likely to try them out someday. Although, unless my current streak of anti-exhibitionism is just a phase, I would need to figure out how to show off the piercings without exposing most of my torso in public. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Unseelie
Speaking from experience in the Army, a Gas Mask may stop tear gas but it does nothing to stop that... :D
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Originally Posted by Old Geezer
Ah, that's what I needed for an explanation, honestly. I got everything else. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
And answer to the cute: 'Am not.'
I can go into a long explanation of denial that derails things, but it's summed up as I'm not cute, nor am I ugly. I am me. It's one of the oddities of my ego.
Now, back on track with kinks.
so very +1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
Laz
I've never gotten the gas mask fetish, but I do love face coverings - veils, hoods (not leather hoods, but even the casual sweater kind), et cetera.
You keep saying that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
I do not think it means what you think it means.
How did you do that thing with the anvil?Quote:
Originally Posted by AstraKiseki
Because I love superpowers.They are HOT.
How do you feel about kevlar spandex?
I got lucky. See the picture about five seconds later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctor,Wildstorm
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And I prefer normal clothes, that and formal wear that doesn't look too revealing.
Well, what if one were looking for corsets for a guy specifically in female fashions? It's a bit of a quandry.Quote:
Originally Posted by David J Prokopetz
That's the official, technical description, I suppose. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
Skeezycheeses is most definitely a girl, my good doctor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctor,Wildstorm
I have first-hand knowledge of this (not to brag, or anything....) ;)
False Edit: She wanted me to tell you that she is a woman, not a girl. :)
*Bursts out laughing*Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Geezer
Didn't we have a flamewar over this sort of thing already? OG, take another Laugh Point. :D
This is one definite reason I keep going back and forth about needleplay- just for the chance to try that one out...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
Oh you. Always with the teasing me. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Winneganfake
Yeah, that's a tough one. For best results you'd have to find a place that makes male-configuration corsets in mock-female styles. Basic differences in bone structure mean that actual female-configuration corsets are not only a nightmare to size for men, but carry a non-trivial possibility of rib and spinal injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thalantos
No mystery there. It's hot as hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Tenken
For me, it's that I have incredible control-freak issues. I can't allow anyone to truly control me, the idea utterly repulses me. Now, just the tying-up part is fine, that's not really control. (And sometimes being teased is fun.) It's the mental state commonly referred to as Subspace, that total giving over of your will, that I find anathema.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
Because this is such a huge thing for me, I have a very hard time not projecting my intense dislike of it onto other people. While I can accept it intellectually, it's very hard for me to understand on an emotional/visceral level that some people not only like submitting, they feel a need for it. For that reason, I've discovered I'm not really capable of Domming. I get this intense sense of squick like the one that other male posters have mentioned regarding playing out their SO's rape fantasies.
Sometimes on Tang I have to restrain myself from commenting on Power Exchange situations (especially TPE) and consenting master/slave relationships in a very negative way. There's no good justification for that, I know it's entirely my problem. It's just not one of those things I can get.
P.S. Unrelated, but I like teh big h00tarz too. Large natural breasts, especially on someone a little chubby, are like kryptonite to me. I didn't mention that earlier, since it didn't seem like a fetish per se, just a body type preference.
Yeah, I think it's just a different way of processing stress/tension. In my observation, people who like to experience subspace need a somewhat violent, cathartic release of stress*, whereas people I've known who can't stand to be topped are more likely to relieve stress by cleaning or doing something else to impose order on the world around them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragnarok_Engine
I tend to be really attracted to control freaks. One of my jokes is that I'm not really interested in anal sex, but I'm very interested in anal people. :)
*for instance, if no sexual solution is available, I like to release stress by working out hard at the gym.
Oh, so very very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
I bottle up my stress horribly, and I used to have a problem with self-harming. (Usually burning rather than the stereotypical cutting.) I've learned to recognize when it starts to get to a dangerous level, and I respond by making my living space absolutely antiseptic and, if it's really bad, taking a very hot shower and cutting my fingernails (which I usually keep longish for a guy) very, very short.
I have a friend who went through Gallery Serpentine; maybe if there's someone similar in your area they could help?Quote:
Originally Posted by skeezycheeses
He got one made that's not specifically like that style, but more like one of the female-styled ones as far as extra swoopy bits, and also it being red brocade, and also the part where he wears it with a skirt.
Hawt. :D
Whilst it wasn't intended for me, I have to thank you. I must admit a certain liking of large breasts, though it's far from a "requirement". Somehow I much prefer breasts that are a handful. ;) But again, thanks. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Tenken
The office girl look does it for me. Fitted Blouse, pencil skirt and heels preferably with tights though, not stockings.
My GF gets it like a ton of bricks when she comes back from work dressed like that.
Are you a fan of the show Mad Men? With the 50's/60's era office clothes. Not to mention the buxom, red head? If not, you should check it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by EOT
Well, yeah, I was being a bit ironic. As in, "if a significant proportion of your self identified sexaul preference group likes it, is it a kink or just an is?"... as in, "Straight Males liking Teh Boobies isn't a kink, it's part of what makes them Straight Males." I didn't roll well on Craft Irony. My mind was on the hooters... er, subject at hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragnarok_Engine
Two great tastes that taste great together!Quote:
Originally Posted by skeezycheeses
It's okay, OG. I got it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Geezer
Yeah, I like that look too, to the point that I think a lot of "fetish clothing" overdoes it, since the "business woman" outfit does pretty much the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by EOT
No teasing! Honsetly! Just not knowing anyone I'd trust outside of a paid setting with that many needles, d-rings, and the will to use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
Its on BBC 4 here in the UK and the reception in my area suck arse :( Though i shouuld have a look for it somewhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by skeezycheeses
Slightly on this topic, I can't indulge in any kind of serious sexual roleplay, especially of the dom/sub kind, mostly because I'm really really afraid I wouldn't be able to remember it was actually pretend once in it, and thus would be unable to safely snap out of it. I always think people who do such things must be very sure of who and what they are, to be able to slip into another role so fully as to derive pleasure from it but snap back at a moment's notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
I can also seriously recommend Xcentricities Corsets (at work, so can't go browsing what'd turn up on googling for the right URL at this point. ) they do both male and female corsetry, and the quality is downright excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lauren
Anyways, here's a shot of me with my own recent acquisition from them:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ake/corset.jpg
It's comfy.
Ew. Ew. Ew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
That's definitely someone else's kink there Hime.
Presumably, it's Hypothetical Carcassfucker's. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pilgrim
Please note: I have never had sex.
I like being on the bottom but "resisting it." I like the struggle and conflict that being on the buttom can bring as I try to reclaim dominance. The struggle itself turns me on as well as both losing it and winning it can be.
When I am on top, I prefer to be somewhat submissive, gentle, caring.
It is certainly interesting.
That is quite lovely. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Winneganfake
Why thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by skeezycheeses
I'm just wishing I could put the damn thing on without extra help being absolutely necessary.
But being "extra help" is the fun part. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Winneganfake
I find it oddly ironic considering the site we are on. Have you tried fictionalizing it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joey McGuffin
OMG! I'm in complete agreement with Tokezo Hime. The extra help really is the fun part. Now, I'll admit, so far, my only RL experience in lacing a corset was for my sister's wedding, but I truly enjoyed the process. The fun for me isn't necessarily in the finished product, it's in the tightening and lacing and restraining. Can't wait to get some more RL experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winneganfake
It's becoming increasingly difficult to focus on work. :D
Hehe, I take it your work isn't of the type that has a problem with reading Porn Monday threads? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by skeezycheeses
Oh they would definitely have a problem with it...if they knew...which they don't. Luckily I work in a very small office with only 5 other people and my desk is backed up against the wall. No one can sneak up on me from any angle. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
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Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
Yes, but it does me no good when I want to wear it out, and don't have someone over here willing/available to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by skeezycheeses
cue the bitching about the fact that more of Tangency's kinky population needs to live on the west coast.
Or perhaps ONE tangency pervert needs to move east, where the proper deviants dwell :p
Who'd want to hang out with a bunch of "proper" deviants?Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendTom
I want 'em dirty and twisted, thank you very much.
It is one of the ironies of life that roleplaying is, to me, both an alluring pleasure and a great danger. I can just about handle tabletop and very light LARPing if I'm in the right frame of mind, anything more intense and I'm in serious risk of getting the reality and the fiction mixed up somewhere down the line and ending up scatterbrained at best. You will realize why it's probably a very bad idea for the fiction to be both intense and potentially violent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctor,Wildstorm
Bullshit, they need to come here to the midwest, heart of it all. I could probably host a few of them in my place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winneganfake
Something about this whole line of thinking brings the words "US TOUR" to mind.....Quote:
Originally Posted by WyzardWhately
Or CONVENTION. Seriously. Or, at least, ginormous party. Maybe a party AT a convention?
I've actually been looking into the coolness of forced orgasms of late; I wouldn't say it's at 'kink' levels yet but it is tres hot to have a woman tied down with some kind of stimulator attached in such a way that she can't get away from it, and just has to sit/lie there and come over and over.
Ahem.
I am both terrified and extremely enthralled at the idea of a private room full of the posters from this thread with plenty of liquor to go around.
With that in mind, who's hitting up GenCon this year?
Y'know, back in my day we used to just call them "orgies" and leave it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
Fuck, I'm supposed to be expanding my convention roster for Tormented Artifacts next year anyways- what's good and not horribly expensive that's east of the Cascades these days?
Hmm. GenCon would be cool...
DRAGONCON. SRSLY I AM STUCK IN CAPSLOCK MODE RIGHT NOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winneganfake
The biggest concentration of RPGnetters tends to go to GenCon in Indianapolis, but D*C is kinkier, IIRC cheaper and much closer to Chez Tokezo. :D
Pffft, I'll do it sober. I'm only 20 anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by James Knevitt
And you people need to come to Comic-Con. My dad promised I could go, and I have a method of transportation that insures that I'll be able to stay late. Not too late, but hey, I get to meet people.
Hi. Yeah. Hi. You can't see me but I am vigorously...nodding my head in agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigwood
My only concern being over-stimulation, devices like that can lead to serious over-stimulation which becomes either painful or numb. I'm willing to test it out though.
I'm so glad it's almost 5. :D
Are you paying attention, T?
Nothing but death will keep me from Dragon Con this year. And seeing as how I live only a few blocks from where it's held, I have absolutely no good excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
Didja see what I did there? ;)
I worked in the building RIGHT NEXT TO IT for five years and never went until 2 years after I left there.Quote:
Originally Posted by skeezycheeses
That makes me feel better about me, kinda sad about you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Redforce
Look, I dunno how much it is for attendees, but last I checked, a vending space (and yes, business is the only way I'd be able to justify doing the trip) is over 1000. Just the space itself. No travel expenses, no nothing else covered in that. So, it's outta my range.Quote:
Originally Posted by WyzardWhately
DragonCon on the other hand......
Ok, exhibitor info goes up in a month. i'll find out then!
Why yes I did. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by skeezycheeses
Holy crap!Quote:
Originally Posted by Winneganfake
DOOO EEEEET.Quote:
DragonCon on the other hand......
Well, I was gonna respond to this, but skeezycheeses already got it. I do so need to go to DragonCon; for some reason, I've never been able to make it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
huh? yeah, I'm here, m'dear. Just listening. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by skeezycheeses
I'm flexible. GenCon is going into chapter eleven anyway, right? And, more importantly, with Gary dead I don't have any real particular reason to pick one over the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winneganfake
Heh, if I ever make it to DragonCon I'm down for a get-together, but not sure if I'd be able to go or not. Although, this summer I'm hoping to be in DC for an internship anyway...
Dragon con is in dc? huh, might just go.
Who wants to defile a blond?
No, Hotlanta...
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Originally Posted by Doctor,Wildstorm
I'll say!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
Oh, you mean the joke. Ok.
(The only thing wrong with saying "I like girls with big hooters" is that it carries an implication I don't like girls with other styles of hooters, which is blatently not true. I've never seen a set of hooters I didn't like.)
I've heard about that stuff before, and... just... goddamn. Is that at all possible for the male-bodied, or the once-male-but-surgically-altered-bodied? Please? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Bigwood
I like girls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Geezer
No, really. This thread tells me more about whether I would find someone attractive than any picture of them ever would.
Well, it's possible for males, and for what I know of MtF surgery, it should be possible for people with such anatomy as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gloombunny
Which one is in dc then, cause that is pretty close to me, around the Pennsylvania/West Virginia border , on the inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseelie
Yes we are our own state, we split off in the civil war.
How does someone manage that? I've been trying really hard all my life to be able to connect with people sexually that I intellectually like, and I cannot for the life of me seem to manage it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
I'm not saying the physical never comes into it, although my physical preferences have more to do with not resembling a couple of people I've had bad histories with more than anything else. But I've had a relationship with an absolutely gorgeous girl who I had no intellectual connection with, and further who I couldn't enjoy the sexual side of things with. So, for me, sex and romance is all about the intellectual. Now, hot people are nice too, but the other side of that is that clothing matters more than inherent physicality to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ialdabaoth
Which remind me, you were talking about "permanent bondage" as a kink earlier. Now, I've definately been familiar with the fantasy, which to me is hot in the same sense that "slave girls" and "planet of the dominatrix" is hot. I'm just curious... have you actually heard of anyone actually doing anything along those lines?
OG, your remark about a set of hooters you didn't like reminded me of something in my research the other day, relating to Shelley's interpretation of Coleridge's "Christabel":
It was Geraldine's side, after all, that caused Shelley "to . . . run shrieking from the room because he 'suddenly thought of a woman he had heard of who had eyes instead of nipples, which, taking hold of his mind, horrified him.'"
Trufax! In the poem, when Geraldine, previously described as a beautiful woman, takes off her top, it is described as unspeakably horrifying. I don't know where Shelley got the eyes, thing, though. That's just freaky.
As a matter of fact, yes. Not many, but I've known a few people who've inched in that direction. Nowhere near where I'd want to take it, of course, but sometimes I wonder where my kink ends and my bitterness begins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
Huh. I find this really interesting... because for me, kink is always positive and loving, and I don't associate it with bitterness at all. Like, when I've had similar fantasies, I'm always in the mind of both Dom and sub, and it's always about the aesthetic beauty of giving up one's ability to do "normal" things for sexual pleasure. I'm just very curious about people who have actually wanted to do permanent restriction/body modification, because it plays with the barrier that most of us like to keep between kink and "vanilla" life. I'd be interested in hearing more of your thoughts...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ialdabaoth
I have thought about permanent body modification for kink-related reasons. That's all I'm willing to say publicly, but if you remind me next week when I'm done with term papers I'd be happy to talk about it more via PM or email.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
I will say that you're right, the hardest part to accept and the most exciting part at the same time is the whole part about it breaking down the barrier between "kink" and "vanilla life."
Sure, PM me whenever you're free. I get the "not wanting to say things publically." I try to keep this account separated from my "real life." I know it's not really, since my freaking picture is my profile pic, but it's not like you can google a picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
Always glad to share. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
First, on the subject of negativity and kink: Everything about my sexuality comes from a very, very dark place. I can turn it "healthy" with effort, and in every one of my relationships I have strived to provide my partner with a healthy sex life, but my own needs are vindictive, bordering on psychotic.
Second, on the barrier between kink and "vanilla" life, I strive to tear down that barrier at every opportunity. I am not merely out, but Out. I wonder sometimes what the psychological basis for this decision was; sometimes it's just fun to turn the things I used to be mocked for into real power; sometimes I feel that I'm deliberately displaying warning colors, like a poisonous animal. But even then I'm not sure if I'm doing so for others' sake, so they know not to get into potentially damaging relationships with me, or for my sake, because I don't want the inevitable pain and frustration when they predictably and unthinkingly lash out at me for who I am.
Of course, this all makes the likelihood of finding people who are willing to take a risk on me even lower, which further feeds the vindictive bitterness and the misogyny and the seething desire to "take matters into my own hands", but the only successful alternatives I've seen to getting the kind of relationship I want involve domestic violence or drugs - neither of which I find aesthetically pleasing.
Does any of this make sense?
I can understand that, and honestly I don't think there's anything wrong with it - but why do you phrase it that way? I mean, all kink, and honestly vanilla sex for that matter, is tied up with some pretty unpleasant rhetorical ideas of power structures. Kink just brings that all out in the open, which I honestly think is better in many - not all - ways, and I definitely think an awareness of BDSM is good for society in general because it makes people think about power imbalances they'd usually just ignore. For me, though, thinking about tying someone up or being tied up is romantic and happy and sexy, even though a lot of society would call it "dark" or "edgy."Quote:
Originally Posted by Ialdabaoth
I guess what I'm saying is, even if your desires have aggressive or vindictive desires, a lot of people like rough sex, and I think people want what you have to offer. Why not think of it as a positive? I mean, yes, you're more "extreme" than me, but that's what some people are looking for!
It makes sense. I mean, honestly, the desire to take things "into your own hands" is not healthy, in my opinion. I'm not saying that to judge, I'm just saying that when you're made very unhappy by your desires, that's when something does need to be done. Now, I think society and its stigmatization of sexuality that doesn't fit the "norm" plays into this, but I honestly think if you treat your kink as something that makes you different in a good and interesting way, instead of a bad one, you'll find people like you and are interested more than you would think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ialdabaoth
Just my, admittedly inexperienced, two cents.
And those are explicitly not the people that interest me. I'll seek those people out, because those are the only people I'll ethically allow myself to play with, but the people I want to play with are the ones that are horrified by the idea of what I'd do with them, explicitly because they're horrified. Because they don't want it, at all, and my forcing it on them is the purest display of power I can conceive of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
But instead, I look for people that I can try to "play nice" with, in one way or another, and try to find a balance between what I want to do and what I'll ethically allow myself to do.
Trust me, things don't work out that way, and not for lack of trying.Quote:
if you treat your kink as something that makes you different in a good and interesting way, instead of a bad one, you'll find people like you and are interested more than you would think.
Well, there are people who enjoy edgeplay and submitting by doing things they don't enjoy for a top. But you do have to realize that non-consent is a hard limit for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ialdabaoth
It's odd for me talking about this, just because kink = consensual has been drilled into me for as long as I've known sex /= evil... but I sympathize with where you're coming from.
Definitionally, yes. That's the point. And I don't like it, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
So, you can't enjoy power play fantasies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ialdabaoth
Now that you put it that way, I suddenly understand Ialdaboath a lot better. 'Cuz for me, when I'm topping... consent is really just what I need to satisfy my internal ethical monitor. What I enjoy is the fact that I'm inflicting pain and distress on someone. I have the most fun when I know I'm pushing the bottom close to their limits - if they're entirely comfortable with what I'm doing, that just ruins it for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
Sort of, but not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
Look at it this way: do you enjoy the taste of chocolate?
Now, would you enjoy putting a piece of chocolate in your mouth, tasting it, and then spitting it out?
Now imagine that you're starving. Is the chocolate still enjoyable if you're not allowed to swallow?
We lady-type people have a lot of chocolate-scented candles and body-lotions and whatnot to attempt to satisfy chocolate cravings without the calories. It works for some people, but you have to be of a certain temperament -- I'd say it requires the actual Freudian meaning of anal-retention, where you derive pleasure from controlling your impulses at least as much as from releasing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ialdabaoth
I think when I'm topping (not chocolate topping. but not vanilla topping either... this metaphor is craziness!), I enjoy the sense of inner conflict within the bottom person. That's a big part of why male submissives are so great, because what I get off on is messing with someone's delicate balance between wanting-it and not-wanting-to-want-it, and when it comes to men and submission, that conflict can get about as fraught as the one with me and, er, I guess we're back to chocolate again. :)
I'm not sure the Freudian model is applicable here, at least in my case. I do derive pleasure from controlling my impulses, but it's a very Apollonian pleasure, and if I indulge it for too long I find myself at the edge of a psychotic break. On the other hand, indulging my impulses is a very Dionysian pleasure, but if I indulge in that for too long I find myself at the edge of depressive self-loathing. So it's a constant balance of what I can get away with. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
*nod* I think one of the things I do enjoy about consentual interactions is the shame involved with not-wanting-to-want it.Quote:
I think when I'm topping (not chocolate topping. but not vanilla topping either... this metaphor is craziness!), I enjoy the sense of inner conflict within the bottom person. That's a big part of why male submissives are so great, because what I get off on is messing with someone's delicate balance between wanting-it and not-wanting-to-want-it, and when it comes to men and submission, that conflict can get about as fraught as the one with me and, er, I guess we're back to chocolate again. :)
That's, err... Not as straightforward as you might think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Geezer
Frequenting the forums at a couple of boob-oriented porn sites, there are guys out there who take what you and I might think of as a normal straight (or bi, in my case) reaction to a female body part and turn it into something else entirely. I'm pretty sure it rises to the level of "kink" for a few of those guys.
Oh, and the flamewars about natural vs. implants or slender vs. thicker build are EPIC. Makes Michelle Kwan not tipping a breastfeeding bigfoot look like cozy embers.
What can I say? Sex brings out the weird in everyone. Some people's weird is just more presentable than others. :D
I might have mentioned it earlier in the thread, but I'll throw in a special kink of mine.
Nuns.
There, I've said it. The very idea of what manner of things I could do with such "pure" ladies... If the nun in question is a redhead and curvy it gets even better. ;) And yes, I very much liked Convent of Hell. :p Though at times it gets a little wierd even for my tastes.
Oh, you mean the redhead in this little clip? ;) Yeah, she is smoking. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by skeezycheeses
Being closer to you guys is a big plus in D*C's list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
Sadly, I think next year, I get to choose only one convention. Happily, I think I get to choose a (non-CanGames, which is in Ottawa) convention.
Laz
First Western comic I ever read with a tentacle scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kargush
(And though it's gross and vaguely - okay, more than vaguely - misogynist, the bit with the flamethrower-packing, Special Forces-esque Knights Templar who can't be seduced by the Satanic nuns because their blessed penises are anathema to the forces of darkness just cracks me up every time. :D )
:o how YOU doin'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gloombunny
:o
Laz
A tad like most porn movie acting. It's not meant to be funny, but it just is. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by David J Prokopetz
This dichotomy between consent and "consent" was hard for me to express, both to myself and to my partners. It took me a couple of years to get it clear enough that we moved past it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gloombunny
In essence, if my partner is participating in a particular activity because she gets something out of that particular activity, i.e., would be pursuing it regardless, then it has little or no impact for me. If she's pushing through or enduring in an effort to please me, however, that brings me joy.
Finding the good balance is a bit difficult.
I'm not averse to topping, even with regular partners, but I now recognize that for me there's a huge gulf between being a top and being a Dom in a given scene. They entertain me in completely different ways.
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Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
"they follow you as you walk around"...
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Originally Posted by Old Geezer
I suddenly have a mental picture of blue-footed breasts trailing after a guy, like a mother duck with chicks.
Whole volumes of new meaning to "free-range boobies."
(That, and wow- this is getting so far off topic, I think we might actually work our way back around to the topic again- in a week or so.)
I hadn't realized how much of a turn-on geeky things were for me. I mean, I'm a gamer and even published a game book once upon a time, but all things considered I'm pretty mainstream on the geek spectrum: I don't really play video games, I don't generally read comic books (except Transmetropolitan), I stay away from Renn Faires, and I don't really like anime. Yet a lot of that stuff is really sexy in a woman.
Someone who can embrace their geekiness without shame is hot.
I hadn't realized this until I started talking to an old friend from high school online and she mentioned being a comic book collector and loving Sci-Fi Original Movies. I looked at my last relationship and realized that one of the big disconnects was that she wasn't even remotely a geek. Suddenly I'm all interested in my old friend's relationship status and plans to visit the area... It's a little pathetic, actually.
Oh god, I remember reading that at age 11. :eek: (Blame my brother, he had a porn stash on the computer.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kargush
I also remember getting flustered at the high levels of seeming mind control in it. I seem to have a kink for that. :o
Huh. I'm trying to think if there's any "silly" comic-style things that have always been "hot" to me.
Oh yeah, the outlaw seduction scene in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - in particular, the scene where Dark Cloud makes her sleep with her hands tied, and then she gets turned on and pounces him.
Or right now. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Winneganfake
I've always eroticized body horror - of course, I far, far prefer 'aesthetically pleasing' body horror to 'squick' body horror.
Color me uninformed, but what's body horror?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ialdabaoth
http://tech2.in.com/media/images/200...e6_450x360.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
Horrifying, embarrassing, painful or otherwise traumatic transformations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
Like stuff that happens in Cronenberg movies. Horror derived from bodies doing things that bodies really shouldn't do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
A lot of transformation-fetish stuff would be in that category, along with amputation fetishes and whatnot.
In terms of silly cartoon stuff, I have to admit that I thought Dr. Horrible in his red labcoat and leather gloves was kind of hot. :o In an angsty bad guy kind of way... and I do kind of love the angsty bad guys.
EDIT: Just for the record, Cronenberg movies don't really turn me on, although he often casts actors of amazing hotness and domliness, just to mess with me.
Well, DogMeat's picture doesn't do anything for me. Does that make me aggressively normal? ;)
Dr. Horrible is sexy, and I say that as a straight guy. His love interest was far too one-dimensional to work for me. I did like the "we do the weird stuff" girls... and not just because they do the weird stuff ;)
There's a scene in Dan Simmons' Carrion Comfort that you might like then...
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Originally Posted by AstraKiseki
You're far from the only one, to judge by some of the places I've wandered.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstraKiseki
Didn't something like that happen in one of the later Dune books? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by David J Prokopetz
Another big one for me is a woman with long hair taking it out of a bun and letting it fall down. Has the effect of an entire striptease involving the rest of her.
Well, to be honest, that pic doesn't do anything for me, either. I'm betting you've seen some of my artwork around the net that does, though. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
This does it for me too. Just having that hair fall is enough to get my motor running. Getting to run my fingers through it would just make it better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elemental
Mr. Beef
OKay, weird kink: I get far more turned on writing or imagining an erotic scene than actually putting one to action... and my erotica RARELY gets to the point of actual sex. I usually skip to the end once the point is made, so to speak. But if a partner is actually trying to turn me on, the differences from how the scene plays out in my head usually start turning me off.
Go figure.
I am most incredibly turned on by that pause before starting to kiss someone for the very first time. When you've been talking face to face lying on your sides and you've been slowly creeping towards each other for an hour and your just wondering when the time is right?
Right there. Maybe not a true weird kink but that is the moment of highest bliss for me, where I almost think I could orgasm from the kiss alone.
I used to be incredibly turned on by the smell of the leather armor we used to fight in.
Oh, DEFINITELY. I've always found the process of drawing erotic artwork far more sexually stimulating than actually setting up a scene - not the least of which because people in real life don't typically bend that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennifer
topless chicks in jeans. Im sure its been mentioned up-thread
Very occasionally less is more.
Ah, yes. The approach of the redhead brought me up to a full sit rather than slouch. Christina Hendricks has that affect on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kargush
Of course, I have a pantheon of kinks that starts with:
Redhead (Natural): Trumps ANYTHING
Blue Eyes
Freckles
Pale skin
Short
Nice, round ass
Short Hair
Very Long Hair
Small breasts
Strong nose/jaw
From the most appealing at the top to the least positively appealing at the bottom. Those which turn me off? Dyed hair (especially when it's obvious. Blondes do not have black eyebrows), anorexia, obesity (This is an instance where I do not like extremes), weak chins, and oddly, straight white teeth. Crooked is better. More honest. You were born with those teeth, and you're sticking with them.
Christ. I've got a Body Honesty fetish.
I'll look it up. Another big one for me when I was little was a scene in R.A. Salvatore's Exile... >.>Quote:
Originally Posted by Unseelie
You know, I never really thought of the Dark Elf Trilogy as female-friendly wank fodder - the bit with the gothic Nazi lesbian dominatrices couldn't say "adolsecent male fantasy" more clearly if you stamped it on their foreheads. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by AstraKiseki
Yes, except as someone else has pointed out elsewhere on this forum, they were portrayed as creepy and wrong, not sexy. I never got anything wank-y out of that series at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by David J Prokopetz
True, though the "creepy and wrong" element is actually part of the fantasy for some kids in that age group, due to the whole "sex = evil" thing that many American children are brought up with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
I daresay that's a lot of it. It doesn't take much effort to go from "sexiness is evil" to "evil is sexy".Quote:
Originally Posted by David J Prokopetz
Fair enough. I didn't like it (sexually) also because Drizz't escapes the Drow dominatrixes, instead of becoming a nice little submissive to a Drow girlfriend ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by David J Prokopetz
It is hard for me to decide whether we think taboo things are sexy because we live in a culture that puts sex itself in the "taboo" category, or whether it's just human nature to be drawn to the perverse. To go back to a metaphor, for me, it's kind of like trying to figure out why I like chocolate: because it tastes like CHOCOLATE and it smells like CHOCOLATE and it melts in your mouth like CHOCOLATE. duh. :p
Ah, for me it's neither. Bondage and D/s, for me, is just how I want things to be, and I hate how society thinks it "needs to be" edgy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
I was more referring to the "evil is sexy" comments, which is related to BDSM but not always the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
"Evil is sexy" doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the taboo, tho'. Things that are frightening, hurtful, and degrading are not necessarily taboo, but they often assume a sexual character for many folks, and I think that at least part of this is because many folks are brought up to expect sexuality to be frightening, hurtful, and degrading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
(This is also a separate thing from BDSM, as you note.)
Fair enough. Now, evil is sexy. My parents actually figured out I liked BDSM when I started writing science fiction stories, and they always had gun-toting, drug-dealing girls with kung-fu powers who beat the male characters into line ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
Some of clive barkers stuff has these elements, especially the short story where a desperate guy trys to sell a haunted spa, thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
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From the sound of it, that is sexy. But then I've always wanted to try being female.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctor,Wildstorm
Yeah, it's pretty hot.
Funny thing, i never new he was gay until i read the "let's play" of undying.
Now, which are the east coast cons again?
Correction, it was the scene with the elder brain and how blissed out the slaves were that were so rereadable for me. But then again, I enjoyed Drizzt's coming out of the mind control as well. I like the struggle and getting out, metaphysically and physically. Limits and finding them, and then kicking them to the curb. The scantily clad tend not to do it for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by David J Prokopetz
I didn't have the sex = evil upbringing, other than my mother keeping away the Anne Rice's Sleeping Beauty books from me after I was reading the back of them. I was little then and bored enough to read the backs of her romance novels. I didn't get into them until I was in middle school, but I also was reading fan fiction there too. But I have noticed that over time, I'm less interested in sex and more into the intimacy and relationships before and after.
Wow, that's some hardcore conservatism, right there :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AstraKiseki
I was seven, destructive, and my mom was borrowing them from her sister. :D She also let me learn sex ed before sixth grade by using a computer program called... I think Adam. It was about the different systems of the body, like the digestive system and the reproductive system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
Hehe. I think I saw a UNIX port of that a while back.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstraKiseki
What kills me, in retrospect, is that I used to bitch at my parents for complaining about the books I read. It never occurred to me that they had the option to actually take them away from me. :p
Seeing that my father took away my door for several weeks once, I knew my parents were serious about stuff. But books weren't really taken away. The Sleeping Beauty one was because I was small and my mom didn't want me getting influenced by it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokezo Hime
Did you think you could mention something like that without being asked the story behind it?Quote:
Originally Posted by AstraKiseki
I think I first read Naked Lunch when I was, like, eleven or twelve.
Bad grades, actually. They couldn't threaten me with a lack of TV or computer at that time, so removing the door was the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by David J Prokopetz
What, did you think it was about sex? Pfft, I just hid in the closet.
Depends on whether you count the solo variety. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by AstraKiseki
This isn't the first time I've met someone whose parents revoked their closed-door privileges when they were a kid, but in those other cases, it was because they got caught wanking and their folks were Catholic.
(It never stopped 'em, of course. One of the individuals in question says she just did it with the door open, and hoped nobody would walk by in the next fifteen minutes or so; she's pretty sure it's what turned her into an exhibitionist later in life.)
Meh, I just hid in the bathroom. And my parents knew I masturbated even as a little kid. As a note, I'm Roman Catholic.Quote:
Originally Posted by David J Prokopetz
For me the equivalent was finding the complete 'Oz' collection in the family bathroom and blitxing through the whole thing at age three. Among other things, this was my introduction to gender dysfunction. Very, very weird stuff for that age.Quote:
Originally Posted by WyzardWhately
I promptly grabbed the one Narnia book that had survived my elder siblings...
...The Last Battle. At this point I was still only three, and my head, it hurt.
I was around that age when I first read Brave New World.Quote:
Originally Posted by WyzardWhately
I paid little attention to the sex parts. I was more interested in how the society made people smart but also conditioned them. I think the most shocking part for me was the suicide at the end.
My mom bought my brother and I the Bio of a Space Tyrant series when we were I think fourteen. We both read the Incarnations of Immortality series all the way through. My mom hates the word 'nipple.' She had no idea what we were reading, she just knew that we liked Piers Anthony (back then).Quote:
Originally Posted by WyzardWhately
And on Hime's thoughts on being raised to view sex as dirty; my parents never actually had The Talk with my brother and I. When we were I think eleven, they sat us down in front of a Nova special on sex and vanished for an hour. So I learned the mechanics of sex but nothing else for a long time, good or bad.
At three and on I was looking at porn. My real father was a collector of... well, horrific seventies porn picture books and I looked through them all.
Loved the comics though.
I was on warehouse 23's basement and this came up.Quote:
A medieval chastity belt, and a set of keys from a Geo Metro. The keys fit the (ancient and clunky looking) locks on the belt. The belt is lined with soft leather and actually quite comfortable. It vibrates with a soft hum if the lock is turned another half turn past the locking position.
Very interesting.
I see we share some common interests. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by James the Dark
Are you guy's serious about the hooking up at a con?
Cause that could actually motvate me to work out.
I'll do press-ups , and chin-ups, do the snatch,clean and jerk.:D
Does anybody like using music?
Because i just realized how sexy daft punk is.
Music's shiny. It can be disastrous though. Playlist on shuffle + Weird Al being on playlist = sex coming to a grinding halt as 'The Night Santa Went Crazy' starts.
Don't feel badly. Priests do it for me. A pretty man in a cassock... oof, I'm melting a little just thinking about it. Throw in some Latin and a rosary and someone'll have to hide the children's eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kargush
I like to have my women dress up as Hitler while I dress as Captain America.
Complete with moustache? *Freaky* ;)
I really, really hope that BDSM counts as a kink, or at least my general preference for slimmer, more supple women with glasses;).
Otherwise, I'd have nothing to confess. And me not being kinky would be unacceptable, so I'd have to find out about something repressed:p!
One of these things is definitely not like the other. Unless BDSM suddenly became an acronym describing women when I wasn't looking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asen_G
They wouldn't look like Hitler without the mustache, now, would they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Miiru
Well, it involves women, but it's more of a personal kink:).Quote:
Originally Posted by Winneganfake
Still, do I qualify;)? I hope so:p!
True confession: I read (and liked!) Wizard's First Rule in high school, though I never got more than a few pages into the second book.Quote:
Originally Posted by David J Prokopetz
Looking back on it, I am almost 100% sure that it was the combination of over-the-top gore and that enormous digression in the middle with the magical femdom.
The proverbial cranks can be turned by the weirdest things.
Thank god I figured out where to get better fantasy AND better porn, though.
but what about better fantasy porn ?
Apropos of absolutely nothing (like, really absolutely nothing), where is your avatar from? It seems familiar, but I have no idea why, and it's driving me insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack of None
It's a Cute Lil' UFO from Earthbound.Quote:
Originally Posted by David J Prokopetz
Nothing too odd for me, strangely enough, tho of late, I have to give props to equestrians.
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The End and all that. :)
Mmm jhodpurs. Have to start riding lessons.
Strictly civilization collapse preparedness you know.
I thought that this post would be about ponygirls, before the pics loaded on my dialup :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Wakshaani
Gotta appreciate that too though.
My tender young mind was warped by The Knight and the Knave of Swords. If you've read it, you can guess the scenes, I'm sure. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by weasel fierce
This one's going to be a bit odd. No, not that odd.
I find myself attracted, perhaps in a voyeuristic level, but I think more, to a complete lack of fear of sex. I'm not quite sure how to describe it, but I find complete openness with it to me... rather inviting. I guess an example would be how others have often talked about roommates who "didn't know when to get a room". Me, I'd accept that. Find it comfortable, even. If people were making out next to me, I'd be in my happy place.
DL, yep, creepy.
Can you be my roommate next semester? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DLathrop
No, I can get that. I'm currently working on a science fiction story, which I keep swearing to myself is a postmodern critique/utopian novel about our sexual norms, but let's be honest: having lots of sex scenes where everyone is totally nonchalant is part of the appeal.
The web-story-comic-thing Tales of MU has a lot of that sort of content, too... it's kind of sad, the only reason I can't stand to read it is a really tiny pacing-related issue that totally throws me off.
Wouldn't that be classified more as erotic TG/TF rather than body horror per se?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctor,Wildstorm
Hey, I'm all up for it! Well, if I were intending to move. Sigh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
DL.
Well, hello there... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wakshaani
Nuns. A young one. Wearing glasses and a curl of fiery red hair peeking out from under her habit. Acting demure and nervous, chewing on her lip bottom lip in her nervousness, fiddling with her Rosary. And once her robe is opened, she reveals she's wearing high heels, fishnet stockings, and the laciest, sexiest garter belt-bra-panty set imaginable...
Damn you, Queensryche, for writing Operation Mindcrime!
I need to find a new girlfriend who likes dressing up for a little live action roleplaying, if you know what I mean. :D
"Oh yes! Disenfranchise me! Violate my personal freedoms!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Curupira
You joke, but a lot of my fantasies are about political views pretty much opposite to my own.Quote:
Originally Posted by austenandrews
A-ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Something Else
The most boring time I ever had was with a McCain campaign girl. No joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allandaros
Interesting little turn this has taken. Is there anyone else here to which the words "Ann Coulter" and "Ass-Saddle" mean anything?